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LADY BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
MINUTES OF SPRING MEETING HELD ON WEDNESDAY 3rd MAY 2006 AT ALL HALLOWS CHURCH HALL.
Present: 136 including County Cllr. Cooper and Cllr Blount
Apologies: Cllr. Tiplady, LBCA Cmtte member John Finney, Maureen Mitchell, Michelene Harris, Ruth Holbrook, Alan & Marianne Clarke & Carol Coole.
Minute Silence for former Cllr & LBCA Committee member Dorothy Bell. The Chairman asked those present to remain silent for Dorothy, who died recently. She served Lady Bay ward as Rushcliffe Borough Cllr for 8 years & was an active member of LBCA & FIELDS. Dorothy & Alan frequently had their beautiful garden on Adbolton Grove open at the FIELDS Open Garden weekends where Dorothys home-made cream teas, cakes, jams & marmalade were popular. Dorothy will be missed greatly and our sympathies go to her widower, Alan, & her family.
Lawrence introduced Rushcliffe Primary Care Trust (PCT) rep Vicky Bailey:
Doctors Surgery in Lady Bay. Vicky thanked Clive Rix for representing the concerns of the people of Lady Bay on the PCT. Dr Clark has decided to take retirement earlier than planned due to his unwillingness to work within the conditions imposed by the government, which he feels are incompatible with his aim to provide a good service to his patients. Originally, Dr. Clark was going to practice until he reached the age of 70. As he is planning to move to France, the surgery, which is part of Dr. Clarks house, is for sale along with the residential part of the building. At the moment Dr Clark has 3,200 patients on his list, the ones who do not live in Lady Bay have already begun to move on to other GPs lists. At the same time there are patients who live in Lady Bay who are already with other GPs, through personal choice or because Dr. Clarks books were full.
Questions & Comments:
Brian Frank asked whether it was true that the PCT had classified the surgery in Lady Bay as inadequate & whether the PCT had looked for other suitable premises to purchase within the Lady Bay area.
The size of the surgery does not reach the national standard; there are other ways in which the premises do not fulfil the requirements too. The PCT do not own surgeries only some health centres.
James Strawbridge asked whether the failings of the surgery are due to failing to meet enforceable standards or merely guidelines.
They are standards.
The secretary asked what would happen; will we be in the same situation as we were 15 years ago, without a GP in Lady Bay?
Yes, the situation will be back as it was.
Will the situation will be temporary? Will we have another doctor in the future?
A doctor has to be found who is prepared to buy property in Lady Bay & convert all or part of it to a surgery; this is not impossible but very unlikely.
Would 1 of the other doctors in W. Bridgford be willing to provide a satellite surgery in Lady Bay?
None are interested in doing this.
Has the PCT asked GPs in W. Bridgford whether they would provide such a service?
The PCT has asked.
Is it true that the PCT do not support single GP practices?
No, on the contrary, the PCT does support them.
Could a locum be provided in the present surgery when Dr Clark has left if no-one has moved into the house?
No, because the premises need to have a primary partner with a contract from the PCT. The practice manager employed by Dr. Clark would have to find a suitable locum if he/she wished to do this, with Dr. Clark continuing as the primary partner.
Could the PCT use Private Finance Initiative (PFI) funding to buy Dr. Clarks premises?
There are a great many potential patients for a GP in Lady Bay as a large percentage of people wanted to be with Dr. Clark but were unable to join his practice as he already had enough patients to care for, because of the PCTs inactivity all the patients in Lady Bay will end up with no local GP.
The chairman asked what was the objective of the PCT with regard to our problem?
The aim is to see a GP in Lady Bay, the problem is that there are no premises, so a GP would have to buy a property & convert it.
Is the PCT promoting Lady Bay as a potential surgery?
It is an open market, so individual GPs or companies like BUPA may be interested in providing a service.
Simon Anthony stated that Dr. Clark had told him that there were other GPs interested.
Several people asked how the loss of the GP in the area affected the Lady Bay Pharmacy.
The pharmacy is not part of the community pharmacy scheme so will not have any extra support from the PCT.
Julie Palmer said that people must use the chemist to obtain prescriptions in order to ensure its future.
Many people were concerned that if we fail to register then we will be without a GP if we fall ill but if we register with other GPs then it will look like there arent many patients in the practice in Lady Bay. Is it possible to state that people in Lady Bay will register with other GPs on a temporary basis, but return to a GP in Lady Bay when one becomes available?
A GP needs about 2,000 patients to run a viable surgery. There could be about 4,000 people who would register with a GP in Lady Bay so 2 GPs could practice together in the area.
Alan Bell stated that the area should therefore be very attractive to GPs to run a practice.
Mike Senior observed that many people find it difficult to reach other surgeries.
Carol Crowe asked how the PCT could help. Is there financial support? What powers does the PCT have in this matter?
Can advertise vacancy amongst GPs & provide information re Nos. of patients etc.
Brian Franks asked what the patients or potential patients could do.
At the moment: support the local pharmacy.
What happens if patients do not register with another GP?
After 10 weeks, when the practice closes, patients will be allocated to a local GP. A letter will be sent out before then with a list of local GPs & info about them, so people can make an informed choice.
Are GPs lists in W. Bridgford full? Does this mean we will have to go to Bingham or Keyworth?
No, there is room in W. Bridgford.
Could people become official temporary patients of other GPs?
No, only students, people on holiday etc can register as temporary patients.
An elderly resident observed that there are more elderly people living in Lady Bay now than there were when we were previously in this situation 15 years ago.
Simon Anthony stated that he would put an advert for a GP for Lady Bay on the Lady Bay web site.
We could advertise in medical journals.
The secretary made the suggestion that we send letters to the PCT stating that we will become patients of a GP in Lady Bay when 1 becomes available.
It would be a good idea to inform the PCT if patients are willing to become patients of a GP in Lady Bay.
The PCT should write to all residents of Lady Bay, not just Dr. Clarks patients, asking them whether they will be prepared to become patients of a GP based in Lady Bay.
We have heard valid criticism & the meeting has been very useful, with the PCT hearing the opinions of people in Lady Bay.
The Chairman asked the audience to raise their hand if they wanted a GP in Lady Bay the vote was unanimously in favour.
The Chairman introduced Julie Palmer, Chair of FIELDS.
FIELDS Report: Julie reported that the inspectors report on the RBC local plan was published in Feb. The inspector agreed with RBC & not with the County Council that the land E. of Lady Bay should not be used for housing & that the 4th Trent Crossing route should not be preserved.
The officers of Derbyshire & Nottinghamshire County Councils are organising a conference on the Green Belt that will report to the Regional Assembly. This un-elected body will provide plans that the borough councils will have to interpret, for instance; the amount of land to be removed from the Green Belt. The Regional Assembly is part of a general trend with power being taken away from loc government. In the past the boroughs had to make loc plans that fitted in with the County Councils Structure Plan. FIELDS need volunteers to work on this. In the past FIELDS has sent reps to the Examination in Public for the County Councils Structure Plan. The Regional Assembly is holding seminars on different subjects, today there was 1 on housing on 12th May there is 1 on culture, on public transport on 16th May & on the environment on 31st May. FIELDS needs people to attend to find out what the Regional Assembly is up to.
The county council have now withdrawn the application for the park & ride site but want to develop park & ride on the land opposite the original site.
Questions& comments:
Where are the people serving on the Regional Assembly from?
They are all appointed. Everything seems to be run like a business now, not a service.
Has RBC granted planning permission for the playing fields?
Yes, the work has not begun yet as the Environment Agency need to complete the flood protection works 1st.
The chairman thanked Julie & introduced Sue Blount, the Secretary, who gave a report about the plans of Nottingham Rugby Club.
Nottingham Rugby Club. Although no planning permission has been applied for as yet, Nottingham Rugby Club intends to move to the land that was the former Boots Sports Ground. Despite this area being in the flood plain, with the new flood protection system being constructed behind it, the club intend to build a temporary stand for their 800-1,800 supporters, a practice pitch enclosed in a bubble & new admin buildings after demolition of the existing pavilion. The Environment Agency has raised strong objections to this proposal. The development control officers at RBC, however, seem keen on the idea as the club has promised a great deal of youth work for local people. It seems there have been discussions with Nottingham Forest FC to have home rugby games played when there is no football game scheduled, so that rugby supporters can use the car park belonging to the football club. Like the Environment Agency LBCA are concerned about development in the flood plain as well as the parking problem that will undoubtedly ensue from yet more supporters parking all over Lady Bay, especially at the Radcliffe Rd end of the area. As with the playing fields on the land E. of Lady Bay, the club will probably apply for a slight enlargement of the present admin buildings, then a temporary stand until finally the whole area is built up with the loss of flood plain & subsequent risk to neighbouring properties.
Questions & comments:
Maggie Smith commented that the Rugby Club is playing home matches at Notts. County FCs ground, perhaps this arrangement can continue?
Do the new flood banks make it more likely that the land E. of Lady Bay will be used for housing development?
No, the flood protection measures stop inundation from the river, not seepage of ground water; the area is still in a flood risk zone.
The Chairman thanked the Secretary & introduced County Cllr Barrie Cooper:
1st Impressions. Barrie was born in W. Bridgford & his parents lived in Lady Bay with his mother a member of the congregation of All Hallows Church. He was a partner in a business based in Lady Bay but is now retired. Barrie was elected in 2005 to the W. Bridgford Cent & S. Division. Lady Bay is 1 of the 6 RBC wards that make up the division. There are 2 County Councillors for the division, the other 1 is Mike Cox, who has been a County Cllr for 30 years & represents RBC on the Police Authority.
The County Council has 23,000 employees & owns 9,000 properties. It has been under Lab control since 1981. Barrie has worked in industry all his life & is surprised by the length of time it takes the public sector to get things done! The County is in charge of education, the environment, highways, policing & Soc. Services.
In Jun there will be a govt white paper produced that will plan for the reorganisation of loc govt. It is likely that the 2 tier system of county & boroughs/districts will be replaced by unitary authorities of about 300,000 residents.
The concerns of the people of Lady Bay are: as we have just heard, the loss of a local GP; crime & fear of crime; the environment, particularly the issues of street cleansing, the state of footpaths, the new flood defences & air quality; & education, especially Lady Bay Primary School.
LBCA have brought several issues to Barries attention: the land at the side of Lady Bay School, which LBCA were hoping to have improved, & which had received allocation of a Building Better Communities (BBC) grant, is now to be the site of portable classrooms; the official designation of the footpath along the river this is proving to be very expensive as the land owners want £196,000 compensation; the re-designing of the junction of Rutland Rd & Trent Boulevard as a T-junction this idea could receive the BBC money that was to be used for the land next to the school.
Barrie has found his 1st year eventful, exciting & rewarding. He will always do his best for the community he represents.
Questions & comments:
What protection from flooding is there for people living in bungalows in the area?
When were the river & canal last dredged?
Emergency flood planning is the responsibility of the county council. The new flood protection measures are to be put in place by the Environment Agency between Wilford & Holme Pierrepont.
Will the reorganisation of loc govt mean that we will become part of the City?
RBC, Gedling & Broxtowe want to be amalgamated into 1 authority.
The Secretary asked about the sorry state of street trees; they are never replaced now that the county council & not RBC are responsible for them.
A resident of Melbourne Rd. mentioned the problem with parking on Forest match days, especially on Melbourne & Woodland Rd. Could there be a residents parking scheme? Could Forest &/or the cricket club pay for it in part?
Will find out whether it is feasible to have a residents scheme on these 2 roads & whether it is possible to have outside funding.
Brian Franks asked who enforces the 20mph home zone.
The speed limit is advisory so it is not enforced.
Finally, Barrie read out an amusing poem about how life had changed for people born before 1940.
The chairman thanked Barrie.
Rachael Terry, who was to tell us about an over 50s mentoring scheme, is unable to attend as her vehicle has broken down. The chairman introduced Inspector Norman England.
Crime Up Date: As it is getting late Inspector England decided to go straight to questions:
It is clear that parking is an issue. The rugby clubs plans are very worrying, as Forests car park is not large parking will occur all over Lady Bay. An idea for another objection re the rugby clubs plans might be that there would be an increase in crime, especially auto crime. It is no longer the responsibility of the police to give out parking tickets. These will be the responsibility of borough/district councils who may use private contractors to enforce parking regulations. This will be better as the boroughs& districts stand to make a profit so will be keen to enforce the rules! Parking fines will be of £80. All employees currently working as traffic wardens will be re-trained as Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs). RBC is generally not in support of residents parking schemes, as they dont work!
Should residents report roads blocked by parked vehicles to the police?
Yes, contact the beat manager, Adrian Bradshaw.
There is a big problem with illegal parking at Adbolton garage on Trent Boulevard.
Yes, the perpetrator is fined regularly!
There is a great deal of anti-soc behaviour occurring on Holme Rd. opposite the Hook, it happens on most nights with fires being started on the playgrounds; damage to vehicles, including jumping on car bonnets & ripping off wing mirrors; & drinking alcohol in the street.
The damage to vehicles, if reported, is classed as auto crime, was unaware of the fires. If you see crime being committed, however minor, you must report it, or it will not be part of the statistics.
A resident of Melbourne Rd. also stated that there were problems with young people coming from the Hook.
Cllr. Cooper suggested that there should be a Problem Solving Group set up like the 1 that was formed at Compton Acres when there was a lot of trouble with youths in the area.
The Chairman asked whether youth workers were in the Lady Bay area.
Cllr. Cooper stated that there were Outreach Youth Workers allocated to Lady Bay.
The gangs are from outside Lady Bay.
A disabled resident stated that his specialist wheelchair users vehicle has been damaged recently, yet he has owned it for a long time with no problems.
There is to be another PCSO in the Lady Bay area later this year, with 20 more coming to the Rushcliffe N. area in the next few years. Trent Bridge ward has twice as much crime as Lady Bay & Lady Bay is 5th out of the 10 wards in Rushcliffe N. The beat manager is putting a team together to use covert surveillance equipment to tackle anti-soc behaviour. When evidence is collected, the perpetrators can be taken to court. The problem with drinking in the street is usually due to under age drinkers buying alcohol from off-licences. When they get drunk they cause problems. There is an £80 fine to the person who sells the alcohol & a 2nd offence entails a £1,000 fine. If the practice continues the licence is revoked. Often, however, an adult buys the alcohol & gives it to under 18s, this is difficult to police. Off licence managers are warned that test purchases will be made if there are reports of them selling to under age drinkers.
Maggie Smith said she was pleased to see a Police officer riding a bike around Lady Bay & that whenever she reports a crime a response is initiated. Simon Anthony & Sylvia Wilkins agreed with this latter point.
There are 5 officers on bikes now. There will be more community/police liaison, particularly with young people, when more PCSOs are employed.
Don Read, of Lady Bay Neighbourhood Watch, mentioned a forthcoming event to take place on Lady Bay pub car park on Sat. May 6th from 2-5pm. There will be an opportunity to win a garden shed, bikes can be brought along to be post coded & a bouncy castle & face painting for children will also be present.
Meeting closed at 10.25pm.
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